calories, then the food industry, the institute of medicine, the national institutes of health, the surgeon general and everybody else would be right to. be part of a balanced diet you get discretionary sugar, no problem. >> stephen: it is. >> a calorie is not a calorie. that's what they would have you believe. >> stephen: those are experts. smart guys with letters after their names just like you do. why are you right and everybody else is wrong? we'll take one example. alcohol. >> stephen: all the time. [ laughter ] >> all right. and i do, too but in low dose. >> stephen: sure, absolutely slow drip. >> absolutely. infuse it just enough so that -- >> stephen: gets you there, baby. that little click. >> alcohol are not empty calories. they are toxic calories. why? fries your liver. so does sugar.